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Strange Toronto Intersection: Where Would You Stop?


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In the neighborhood of Forest Hill in Toronto is a street called Vesta. Vesta starts out from Eglinton and goes south for about 1.5km before ending in a dead end. The reason for this post today is because I have driven down this road numerous times and to this day I do not know what one is supposed to do when driving north or south on this street when it intersects with Old Forest Hill Road and Dewbourne Avenue all in the same intersection. This is because of the weird angle that Old Forest Hill Road hits the north-south Vesta and the east-west Dewbourne Avenue (which ends at this intersection).

Check out the picture above where you are looking south on Vesta towards this intersection. The first stop sign you see is on Vesta Drive where it intersects with Old Forest Hill Road. Now, imagine you are driving south through this intersection, as you drive you pass Old Forest Hill Road’s stop sign. You aren’t quite on Old Forest Hill Road but you are sort of in the middle of no-man’s-land of pavement between streets. As you can see from the aerial view map below theoretically you should never be on Old Forest Hill Road but, nevertheless, when you are driving you sort of feel as if you are running the stop sign on Old Forest Hill Road because of the way the road is set up.

Toronto--Vesta Dr-Old Forest Hill Rd-Dewbourne Ave

I don’t think we are running the stop sign when we drive south here but I also don’t want to be the unlucky individual who is driving along and gets a ticket from a bored police officer who happens to see me drive through this most confusing intersection. At the same time, it is fairly safe to assume that you do not have to stop at Old Forest Hill Road’s stop sign because it is an All Way Stop intersection so everyone on every corner should be stopping and there should be little chance of a collision. But better safe than sorry right? Well no, not so much. See the problem is if one starts stopping at Old Forest Hill Road’s sign and they aren’t supposed to and other people in the intersection don’t know what the heck you are doing your likelihood of causing an accident just went up exponentially.

It is a weird intersection and I would love to hear anyone else’s opinion on this because if we can’t all come to a consensus on this intersection and how to treat its stop signs maybe the time has come to look into a different method of managing the traffic flow (although what that may be I have no idea).

I am thinking it might also be a good idea to @mention on Twitter @TrafficServices and @311Toronto I would think they would know. (If they don’t I think we are all in trouble, haha!) Also, I am linking Toronto Police Traffic Services http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/traffic/ in this post so hopefully they’ll check it out when they see the linkback.

Map via Bing Maps

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  1. January 21, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I love that neigbourhood.

    You are correct. Once you stop at the intersection, you do not have another stop sign. The second sign is the control for Old Forrest Hill.

    A long time ago, they used to put a ‘blinder’ on the sides of stops signs like that which could be seen by side traffic. That was done to cut down on the confusion…kind of like this.

    I found that intersection when detailed to investigate a crash there…in that case, 2 cars, neither driver cared about stopping form the direction they were traveling.

    I used to go back all the time to do enforcement. The neighbours living there were great and someone always commented how happy they were to see the police there because no one ever stopped….(they were right).

    But, like I said, stop once and you’ve done your job. Proceed with caution just in case no one else seems to care.

    Tim

    • January 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm

      Thanks so much Sergeant Burrows!
      I have never seen one of these blinders you speak of but it makes me wonder why they aren’t used anymore.
      At least now I, and all my readers, will know what the proper thing is to do in this intersection.

  1. January 15, 2013 at 8:04 am

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